ea *********** @ earthlink.net 说：

...你经历过C的程序员;你是从C开始的吗？你有什么课程学习到达今天的学习目标？你会建议先从REALbasic开始使用n00b吗？我是编程和使用Mac的新手，想要在哪里开始编程生涯。我知道这可能是一个有点未定义的问题，但我很感激您的意见/建议。谢谢。

...you experienced programmers of C; did you start with C? What course
of study did you pursue to get to where you are today? Would you
suggest starting with REALbasic first for a n00b? I am completely new
to programming and using a Mac and would like some input as to where to
begin a career in programming. I know this is probably a somewhat
undefined question, but would appreciate you input/advice. Thanks.

开始学习一种基于教学设计的语言（如Pascal）可能会更好。这应该教你一些

的好习惯。


一旦你有了编程的一般想法，切换到C，并得到一个

真的，非常好的书，例如The C Programming Language。 （第2版
版），作者：Brian W Kernighan和Dennis M Ritchie。您当地的书店

应该随身携带，或者您可以从亚马逊购买。唉，C上有很多坏书，你也可以从你的书店或亚马逊那里买到。 :-(


此新闻组的常见问题列表可在
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-FAQ/top.html - 你会发现它是一个

最有用的资源。


-

Richard Heathfield

" Usenet is一个奇怪的地方 - dmr 29/7/1999
http：//www.cpax .org.uk

电子邮件：rjh在上面的域名（但显然放弃了www）

It would probably be better to start out by learning a language that was
designed with teaching in mind, such as Pascal. This should teach you some
good habits.

Once you''ve got the general idea of programming, switch to C, and get a
really, really good book on it, such as "The C Programming Language" (2nd
edition), by Brian W Kernighan and Dennis M Ritchie. Your local bookshop
should carry this, or you can get it from Amazon. Alas, there are plenty of
bad books on C, and you can get those from your bookshop or Amazon too. :-(

The Frequently-Asked Questions list for this newsgroup can be found at
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-FAQ/top.html - and you will find it to be a
most helpful resource.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)

ea *********** @ earthlink.net 写道：

ea***********@earthlink.net wrote:

...你经历过C的程序员;你是从C开始的吗？


不，我开始在IBM 1620上使用GOTRAN

< ; http：//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1620>。C就在几年之后。

你学习了什么课程？你今天过得好吗？你会建议先从REALbasic开始使用n00b吗？我是编程和使用Mac的新手，想要在哪里开始编程生涯。我知道这可能是一个有点未定义的问题，但我很感激您的意见/建议。谢谢。

...you experienced programmers of C; did you start with C?
No, I started with GOTRAN on an IBM 1620
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1620>. C was several years away.
What course
of study did you pursue to get to where you are today? Would you
suggest starting with REALbasic first for a n00b? I am completely new
to programming and using a Mac and would like some input as to where to
begin a career in programming. I know this is probably a somewhat
undefined question, but would appreciate you input/advice. Thanks.

我不熟悉Mac上可用的功能。我建议在Mac编程新闻组中询问

建议。既然您在

comp.lang.c中询问过，请考虑C！


-

Thad

I''m not familiar with what is available on a Mac. I suggest asking for
suggestions in a Mac programming newsgroup. Since you asked in
comp.lang.c, consider C!

--
Thad

ea *********** @ earthlink.net 写道：

...你经历过C的程序员;你是从C开始的吗？


1970年之前：

ALGOL在CDC 3600上;

FORTRAN在UNIVAC 1107上;

IBM 7094（CTSS）上的MAD，FAP，LISP和SNOBOL;

FORTRAN，PL / 1,360汇编程序，IBM 360上的APL;

MACRO-6 PDP-6和PDP-10上的MACRO-10，FORTRAN，ALGOL和COBOL（TOPS-10
PDP-8上的
MACRO-8
GE 645（MULTICS）上
PL / 1;

1970年增加：

PDP-11上的MACRO-11;

您为了达到今天的目标而学习什么课程？


麻省理工学院政治科学与经济学本科学位和

来自西北大学的政治学研究生学位。这是误导：4个学期的物理，3个化学，6个电学工程，2个数学工程，8个数学隐藏在这些本科学位之后。

你会建议先从REALbasic开始使用n00b吗？


对于任何类型的BASIC，没有任何教学优势，而不是像B语言这样的生产语言，如APL和

Pascal有其用途，但存在第一语言

综合症的危险，其中第一语言学习的是所有其他语言的标准

测量。就像

第一编辑综合症的情况一样，即使是第一次使用的不完美的部分

语言（或编辑）获得了一个不容易的神秘感克服。

我是编程和使用Mac的全新工具，想要了解如何开始编程生涯。


首先专注于接受教育，而不是专业。

我知道这可能是一个有点不确定的问题，但会很感激你输入/建议。谢谢。

...you experienced programmers of C; did you start with C?
Before 1970:
ALGOL on a CDC 3600;
FORTRAN on a UNIVAC 1107;
MAD, FAP, LISP, and SNOBOL on an IBM 7094 (CTSS);
FORTRAN, PL/1, 360 Assembler, APL on IBM 360;
MACRO-6, MACRO-10, FORTRAN, ALGOL and COBOL on PDP-6 and PDP-10 (TOPS-10
& ITS);
MACRO-8 on PDP-8
PL/1 on a GE 645 (MULTICS);
Added in 1970:
MACRO-11 on PDP-11;
What course
of study did you pursue to get to where you are today?
Undergraduate degrees in Political Science and Economics from MIT and
Graduate degees in Political Science from Northwestern. This is
misleading: 4 semesters of physics, 3 of chemistry, 6 of electrical
engineering, and 8 in math are hidden behind those undergraduate degrees.
Would you
suggest starting with REALbasic first for a n00b?
There is no pedagogical advantage to any flavor of BASIC over a
production language such as C. Pedagogical languages like APL and
Pascal have their uses, but there is the danger of the "first language
syndrome", in which the first language one learns is the standard
against which all others are measured. Just as in the case of the
"first editor syndrome", even the poorly done parts of the first used
language (or editor) acquire a mystique not easy to overcome.
I am completely new
to programming and using a Mac and would like some input as to where to
begin a career in programming.
Start by concentrating on getting an education, not on your career.
I know this is probably a somewhat
undefined question, but would appreciate you input/advice. Thanks.